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If you're considering buying a second hand #NAS or a #synology , I decided to dust off one I got years ago and have a talk about it. A second hand NAS can set you back betwwn $200 - $1000 and I don't know why. New you can spend a lot more. But here are some brands you can take a look at. #qnap #zima #storage
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Guerrilla GorillaWhat are your thoughts on refurbished high-capacity HDDs? Brand new 20TB+ HDDs can be so expensive
I will use them no issue at all, BUT make sure you're running raid, to have redundancy.
PatrickDidn’t drobo go under a few years ago?
Well i'll be, I didn't know that they closed in 2023. Well spotted.
PatrickI bought one a few months ago on Facebook marketplace and realized people are renting them out to recover data because they can’t get replacement power cords anymore. It’s a whole ordeal haha
Oh man! well maybe you discovered a side hustle!
ChadwhitetvSynokogy is crazy slow. I tried their 8 or 10 bay nas.. put in all 7,500 rpm seagate nas drives, and uploading or downloading videos was just to insanely slow..
I think if you're getting a NAS, then building one from scratch is the best option if you're technical.
lostsoul4615Got a rs818+ and love it
Solid bit of kit.
lostsoul4615Was about 1k….😳
Ouch... Still, years long investment
Pickle01I always wanted a NAS but the cheaper solutions always included proprietary software that didn’t make the disc drives operable outside of the network that they were part of I want push come to shove to be able to take a drive and plug it into a computer at the absolute least
Geeky (VariablyGeeky)New prices are rediculous. But used is even worse. Especially given hard drives loses a lot of trust and value secondhand. UGreen is on my watch listen to check out in addition to doing my own. People look down on these boxes, but even if you can do it, you hit it with the simplicity. Knowing it's mostly maintenance free and reliable community support. One of the only reasons my Synology is useful how I want are people who have made scripts to enable third-party devices and using nvme ssds as storage and not cache.
Very well said
sett.eeyou put out great stuff ma
Thanks!
saym.jgIs there any benefit to these vs me using my old gaming pc with nas hard drives? and running omv? I know power consumption plays a part but is it that different?
It's the perfect way to repurpose devices, so I highly recommend it.
disc0my Synology ds410j still going strong(ish). same 4x HDDs from around 2011. I use it as cold storage too but way more rarely, maybe once every 2 months
It's a workhorse.
Ronniehonest question, why wouldn't I just add hard drives to my empty desktop bays?
You absolutely can. A nas gives you more flexibility for remote access, redundancy, and so on. All of your devices can access it as well, so it's not just more drices in a sing pc.
Ronniegotcha. didn't think about other devices. My pixel is just backed up via cloud and I use Google takeout quarterly move that to local storage. thanks for the response
I'm doing takeout right now for just my photos and oh my... I'm 30% through and it's need 160gb already...
user1239744685836thoughts on 2 bay vs 4 bay nas? currently running a mini pc with an external 2tb hdd and space is running low lol
If you can afford it, 4bays are the way to go, Just for future proofing sake.
user1239744685836that is what i tell myself then I start looking at stuff and I get nowhere 😅 ssd or hdd, 1gb vs 2.5gb etc 😂 any recommendations?
Ssd for cache storage (stuff you're accessing regally). Spinning disk hdds (iron wolf are good choice) for stuff less accessed. So you get a few cheap smaller ssd, and then some bigger hdds, this will keep your costs down.
For network, just consider the bottle necks. If your network is Max 1gbps then no need for more. Make the Max speed of the nas the Max speed of the network and you're fine.
user1239744685836I was thinking a bit ahead and got a router with 2.5gb ports and a 2.5gb switch 😁
Then totally get more lan, but again, just look for the bottle necks in your network, and then just keep upgrading till everything is 10gbps!!!!!
TurtleThumperUnifi NAS Pro, no bells and whistles, just a NAS.
Nice $500 for 10gbps, 7 drive bays and no pain. Love it.
TurtleThumperLove Synology, but the cost of the hardware is just crazy now… I’m looking to move to Unifi NAS Pro, I’ve got other Mini PCs for my Plex and other services.
It really is, and if you're also going to run unifi for network as well, it totally makes sense.
shred.photos.dailyLiterally came to the comments because I was like… ubiquity just do something very not ubiquity like and put out a 10Gb barebones NAS for 500$. Market disrupter. What I’m getting. I priced out making my own capable of zfs/ecc/nvme cache/10Gb etc. just not worth it rn. This is dead simple and cheap.
It's a really good option and I totally missed it in the list.
NoobzCPU is the bottleneck. it has 10gbps nics but it can't actually read or write to those speeds. still a pretty compelling price though.
shred.photos.dailyhttps://community.ui.com/questions/UNAS-Pro-speed-tests/a5be510d-b3e5-4db4-8978-615e02ce3d99
shred.photos.dailyBottleneck if you’re encrypting, but it’s full throughput otherwise. Then it becomes very disk dependent. Almost always the bottleneck. Your comment did just let me see they dropped some new models though. Now with NVME caching thank god. One less trade off vs building my own (if only it was zfs auto rot/fix w/ECC memory) alas… still a nice update.
sweetsI'm building my own...so I control it all...and I can add other things...like docker.. and know it will carry it.
It's the only way to go.
KTRON-TECHNOLOGIESugreen
Yeah, that's the one I missed and thought was qnap
Parasitemay I also add another one ugreen I have the 4800 plus not cheap but brilliant tech
Yeah, ugreen was the one I confused with qnap.
Parasitebut yeah did notice the price hike when I was shopping around least m2 drives have gone down in price
Crazy how costly these are now.
Parasitebut did find the cost of standard hdd's have shot up, so had to do the external drive trick to save some penny's lol
Yeah, it's still cheaper than cloud bust still. I think ssds will come down soon enough. Not fast enough though.
ChristianI know they new the the nas game but I do think ugreen has a strong lineup of Nases with some decent software, and so far they haven't locked down the hardware like sanology has meaning you can flash any nas operating system on it with ease, additionally the hardware itself seems slightly better in some configurations to sanology
BushyStill rocking my 415+ from 2012. I think they're all 8TB drives now, but it just chugs away runs the usual media stack native (no docker layer). Struggles now and then on uhd content, but it's one of those 'just works' things.
Bushy2014, my bad.
user90143762994I think the Beelink ME with an N150 is a tremendous value at it's price.
2.5Gb lan and support for 6 m.2 ssd's, interesting. I think a home built Radza with the hat may be better value and not as limited?
That's the m.2 devi e they have yes? I wonder if doing a radxa penta hat on a pi would be better value.
user90143762994yeah exactly the 6 slot nvme mini model, my understanding is the improved igpu allows it to handle transcoding exceptionally well despite its passmark score. Nascompares and Raid Owl have some excellent videos on the system if you find the time, and the gen 3.1 speeds on 5 of the slots really isn't a huge concern when file transfer speed is would be limited to sata anyway. while the pi might be slightly cheaper overall I expect it'd be at significantly less performance and worse value.
N150 would destroy the pi CPU that's for sure.
user90143762994the ability to support up to 6 drives is also extremely attractive at its early bird pricing
Maybe, it only supports up to 24tb, and it's $300 for the base model, and a 4tb NVMe can get up to $300 each I think it's cost attractiveness dims a little. So to get full spec your in the $2000+ range. At least that's how I'm reading it.
user90143762994yep you're right, but I don't think the people buying it are likely to populate every slot with new hardware. personally I'm only willing to buy drives on deep deep sales, but for example someone just coming out of school transplanting the nvme from their last PC and slowly adding as they need more space and can host a jellyfin/radar instance in the meantime. there are simply worse deals on nvme drives but to get a pi to the same starting features I think it's probably close to price parody and the N150 is a much more performing chip. it's niche but I think it fills its niche wonderfully.
True, I'm just talking from my own position, so I'm goimg to be jaded. :)
user90143762994hey I worry I seem like I'm pushing back super hard right now, I enjoyed our conversation! I'm looking forward to putting an radar/sonar/jellyfin instance on one following your video :) I wonder just how much of a homelab replacement it can be.
Not an issue at all, discussion is the seed for growth!! Love it
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